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I am unable to change the rendering? I want to use the Street O view, but when I click on the boxes in the top left hand corner, nothing changes, I can still see the view with the Street names etc?
Thanks
Hi Jackie, yes that’s the one big (and necessary) change from v3 – you only get the custom-rendered view when you “Save and get PDF”.
To help with this, there’s a new “Preview” button in the top-right panel which will produce a map overlay using the style and rendering options you have selected.
Certain areas are rendered as pink out-of-bounds areas: building sites, schools for example. However, being able to interactively define new OOB areas is significant extra functionality. For now, a straightforward workaround is to import the rendered PDF into something like Inkscape where you can add custom-drawn objects.
You might be able to import the PDF output into OCAD, however oomap doesn’t have any dedicated functionality to export data for other mapping programs. You might be better off querying OpenStreetMap directly and importing that.
Attributes such that Ocad would recognize the objects as being of a certain (even if an unknown/undefined) symbol, or layers in the PDF so as one could turn on an off layers in Inkscape (or similar) would be just enough.
I have looked into this previously: Oomap uses Mapnik to render the map and it is possible to produce a layered PDF. However the performance was unacceptably slow and the resulting PDF was very large and more difficult to work with. I was not able to get any attributes into the PDF vector objects either. I think this is the better way for all the OSM data: https://www.ocad.com/wiki/ocad/en/index.php?title=Import_Open_Street_Map_Files
Hi David, as far as I can tell roads mapped as driveways in OSM do not transfer to OOMap now, though I think they used to. In rural areas, particularly, driveways often provide access to footpaths, or at least are prominent enough for runners to get confused as to whether the road they come across is mapped or not. Could they be an option, as in the various point features you can choose to display, or mapped as thin lines, as service roads are.
Many thanks
Hi Pat, by default they are switched off (some urban roads look like hedgehogs with them turned on!) but they can easily be added back in by checking “show driveways” on the rendering options dialog – see https://oomap.dna-software.co.uk/help/details/rendering-options/
These options are not retained on map save so need to be set again for new browser sessions.
Hi. Can I make a single donation to OOM on behalf of a running club (rather than pressing the buy a coffee button for either Ollie or David). And will I get a formal receipt for the running club accounts? Thanks.
Our club (MVOC) is just launching its Street O series for this year and would like to make a donation to you. Can you email me with details of how to make a bank transfer?
Also, it would great to utilise the club logo element, can this be done for MVOC please?
after opening map, setting centre point then start then on to controls, by the time i get to setting control 6 the map on th left of the screen keeps going smaller so that the colums on the right ( contros etc) get wider so prt of the map is hidden behind ie the map now occupies 40% width of screen and columns >60 as more controls added. this is the same whether i use my lap top or pc, it only seems to have happened with V4, so i cant understand
Hi Rorry,
I can see a couple of saved maps of yours with style=”undefined” instead of streeto, oterrain, etc. Not exactly sure how that’s happened but if it happens again, you should be able to fix this by switching the style (using the top-left map icons) from “StreetO” to “PseudO” and then back to “StreetO”. Let me know if that doesn’t work.
Hopefully my tip should still work.
Before pressing the “Save & get PDF map” button, what URL is shown in the browser navigation bar? It should start “https://oomap.dna-software.co.uk/#/new/streeto-SRTM-5/”.
If you can provide the exact steps to get “undefined” instead of “streeto” (or a get PDF error) I can see if I can get the same – and then fix it.
Thank you. I set it to Street O and it worked, then set it back to Pseudo O and I got what I needed. The URL did show undefined originally. Problem solved!
Why do we no longer have the “Pseud’O” rendering like an IOF standards card please? It was really great for beginners! (example where I tried with several internet browsers: Bressuire in France)
Hi Nicolas,
That should still work – and I can see a saved map (653fc13191542) which renders OK? The big change is that the web map no longer shows the orienteering rendering, just the default openstreetmap view. That’s a necessary change in the way the site works but you can still preview the Pseudo render – try the “Preview” button at the top-right.
Something else to note – definitely use the “LIDAR-5” or “LIDAR-10” contours in preference to the SRTM or GLO-30 ones as they’re much higher quality and cover all of France.
If you’re still having issues please post the mapid that you’ve saved, and what you expect to see and I’ll take another look.
When I create the pdf from the base an existing tarmac footpath which is long established and shows on the base disappears. We have tried to change the properties on osm but this does not produce any change even after several days wait.
Hi Rosie,
Is this Monkton Heathfield? To reduce clutter, by default oomap hides paths that are tagged as “sidewalk” as this tagging is used for pavements running alongside roads. Your map has some inappropriately tagged paths that are not next to roads.
2 options: a) update the tagging in OpenStreetMap; b) turn on rendering for these paths by checking the “show sidewalks” box described at: https://oomap.dna-software.co.uk/help/details/rendering-options/
This setting isn’t remembered between sessions so remember to re-select if you come back to your map later.
Hello,
Thank you very much for the great tool. We recently used it to organize a club championship in Germany and it was a lot of fun.
We would like to organize MTB-O events next year. The basis is very good. However, the details need to be checked again and, above all, the route signatures need to be adapted.
So my question is whether there is any way of exporting the data to Ocad, for example, in order to change the route classification there?
Hi Daniel,
I haven’t got OCAD to check, but I think you have a couple of options: you may be able to import the oomap PDF into OCAD, alternatively you could try directly importing the openstreetmap data as described at https://www.ocad.ch/wiki/ocad/en/index.php?title=Import_Open_Street_Map_Files.
For minor edits, my method of choice is to open up the PDF in Inkscape and modify things there.
Hello David
In sorting out our next Maprun, the original map of two weeks ago, showed no fences, now after loading into Maprun and using the purple pen file the final map is showing fences in built up areas, which have no significance whats so ever but they could be easily mistaken for paths. Just look so messy. Have these been turned on recently. I tried another area and again its showing fences. I went into open street map and looked at these and the source is Bing. It does appear that the problem may be with Open Street Map, but you could turn this feature off.
Hi David, there always *should* have been fences, but a bug meant they weren’t appearing until a few weeks ago. However they are optional – to turn off, see the help at: https://oomap.dna-software.co.uk/help/details/rendering-options/ You just need to uncheck the “show fences” options and all should be good! Your preferences are not remembered between sessions so you will need to remember to do this for future maps too.
Hi David,
Trying to export XML for use with UsynligO. Though it exports fine, it won’t load in UsynligO and on opening the XML file, there is a ‘ no-name’ issue on ‘Line 7’.
Any thoughts?
Hi Jamie,
I’ve never used UsynligO, so it’s perfectly possible that something in oomap is not set up correctly. I’ll take a look; do you have an XML file that *does* work for me to compare with?
Hi,
I’d like to ask you a question, but I’d like to say that I think your creation tool is very well done, it’s great!
I’m French and I love orienteering.
I was wondering if it would be possible to add a new map style, more in line with French orienteering maps (with a few changes in color and line thickness).
Does my idea seem feasible?
If so, I’d love to contribute, but I don’t know how to code.
Would there be a more or less simple way for me to change or make the colors and symbols available to you?
Thank you in advance for your reply,
Best regards,
Florian
Hi Florian,
It would certainly be possible to add a new style, but it takes a bit of work to build this and integrate into the web page. If you’re looking to use the same feature set as is shown for the PseudO style (or StreetO style) but with slightly different symbols then it’s mainly the style definitions that need changing. For PseudO, these are specified in: https://github.com/oobrien/oomap/blob/master/maptiler/styles/inc/styles_oterrain_basic.xml.inc
The colours are separately specified in: https://github.com/oobrien/oomap/blob/master/maptiler/styles/inc/colours_oom.xml.inc
If you can provide an edited version of the style file (with any additional colours also defined) then I can look to make this available to test.
Hope that helps!
Hi,
I take a lope to the code, it wasn’t too difficult to find and rewrite what I wanted to change.
I don’t want to take up too much of your time, but if it’s feasible, do you have an e-mail address so that I can send you the edited versions of the style and colors?
Best regards,
Florian
For a linear course, is it possible to bend lines (maybe a couple of times) between controls. I am preparing a walking course for disadvantaged youngsters so I would like to show the route to walk between control sites. The alternative is (I guess) to put a control at each direction change.
Hi Ian,
I think that’s a step too far for oomap – a common workflow though is to export a blank map PDF from oomap and then use Purple Pen or similar to add the course; this has functionality for adding bends.
Hi David,
Minor error (I think) in the XML production
when adding controls. If you place either the Start or Finish first, this adds both the start and finish at the same place – I assume this is by design as it is common to have them colocated. However the XML file assignes a ‘s’ to both the start and finish. In the course section of the file, the last control is Type=finish but the Control number is ‘s’. If you then add a new Finish elsewhere the XML is as expected. To add the finish at the same location you need to click elsewhere then move it over the start control (can’t click on the same location).
Thanks – other than this love what you do with OpenOrienteeringMap!
Thanks Michael. This *might* be by design but to be honest I can’t remember… I think my logic was that the “S”-labelled control starts the course as “Start” but then can later be used as “Finish”, regardless of what its label is. The key though is that the export works (or not) in UsylingO as that’s the intended destination. Happy to hear whether that’s the case, and tweak as necessary.
Hi David. Can’t speak for UsylingO (havent used it for ages) but, in general, I would think the Finish control should still be labelled as F regardless if it is co-located (matching what happens if you actually separate the two – it would be something I’d expect if I was using this format in any other application, but I don’t know if this would be likely to ever occur. I’m finishing up an ‘Import into PPEN” app For KMLs, IOFXMLs and GPX files. GPX from OpenOrienteeringMap is the only one that causes an issue due to ending with two Starts and no finishes. Having said that, it is really an edge case and can be fixed in PPEN so not likely to impact seriously. I could identify a GPX from this source and look for this but likely not worth the extra code!
Now updated to distinguish between S and F. Please test and let me know if all is good.
Perfect. Thanks.
Sorry – in the last replay I wrote ‘GPX’ which should have been XML (iofXML v3) format. I could see people using this XML in other systems so might be a bit more confusing to users than I thought. Can’t paste the actually xml in here I believe.
Hi David (again). I noticed item 17 above (from Ian Cooper) regarding doing more complex map/courses. Way way back I wrote up a procedure to use OOM to provide a georeferenced map for OpenOrienteering Mapper and then Purple Pen. With all the updates in all these products I revisited things (and found some changes where I could remove work-arounds for incompatibilities and bugs) and updated the process. If you have a chance to review and let me know if you see any issues.
I’ve used this many times to allow for making multiple courses in PP and producing KML files for MapRun Events. PP can use a PDF map file but not any georeferencing in the file as it just converts to an image). I had not realized that, although OOMapper can use a PDF (including the geo info), PP cannot use the OCAD or OMAP file as a map – the PDF template portion appears blank). The way around this is to use the JPG and World File. Link is at https://maprun.raz-family.ca/ in the second para. Might be useful for some??
Salut, l’export XML est du XML simple.
Pour la fabuleuse appli française VIKAZIMUT, il faut du XML 3.0.
Sur l’aide, il est noté que c’est ça mais à l’export, c’est du XML simple…
Hi, the XML export is designed to work with UsylingO, and is written to be compliant with IOF 3.0 XML standards. What errors/issues are you seeing? Can you adjust the XML export to make it compatible with VIKAZIMUT? If you can, then I can potentially update the export function to match.
Hi Pauly, yes no problem at all – the map data is “open data, licensed under the Open Data Commons Open Database License (ODbL) by the OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF). You are free to copy, distribute, transmit and adapt our data, as long as you credit OpenStreetMap and its contributors.”. Any contour data is covered under a separate but similar licence.
So – please keep the attributions as printed on the map. Beyond that, please generate and use maps as you see fit 😀.
Hi Matt,
No, not currently. The easiest option is probably to design a legend graphic for the two main styles used (StreetO and PseudO) and make these available for download – I’ll add it to the list of things to do.
This is the error I get:
Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator at webmaster@dna-software.co.uk to inform them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just before this error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
Thanks Marc. There was an issue with a network component which caused knock-on errors; it should be fixed now. For times like these, please bookmark the backup server: https://oomap.ptlnet.com/
Hi David, yes, I assume it’s this relation: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8632672
The areas have to be rendered in some order and in this case, it must be bottom wood – common – top wood. There’s no universal logic that could get this right so I think OSM needs editing. “leisure=common” doesn’t look to be a good tag so perhaps remove that from the relation, and add back in any areas of grassland as new areas with an appropriate tag?
Hi, I’m just getting started with this, so this might be easy or impossible.
I’m trying to arrange a course on Cockfield Fell, OSM doesn’t have any of the gorse bushes currently mapped, so i’m planning on adding them to OSM. When I add them as scrub (which I think is correct??) they show as green diagonal dashes on your map rendering – this is fine for large patches, but for small patches, because of the small size, the diagonal pattern doesn’t show up. Is there a way to manually change the rendering of scrub to make it more obviously ‘fight’.
Hi Andy,
“natural = scrub” is typically used for larger areas so I don’t propose changing the default rendering for this. However it should be possible to manually edit the map after rendering. If you open the PDF in something like Inkscape, you should be able to select (either manually or in bulk) all the gorse areas, and change from a pattern fill to a solid fill with a colour of your choice. Another option might be to bring in a satellite image layer temporarily into Inkscape and use it to add gorse blobs by hand?
Also worth noting that Oomap’s primary aim is to facilitate urban events and it’s unlikely to ever be a more general-purpose O-map generator – at some stage you may wish to generate a “proper” map. E.g. there are some interesting terrain features on Cockfield Fell that aren’t picked out by my smoothed contour generation.
Hi David
I wonder if you could help with guidance as to how or if it is possible to edit / update an OOMap?
For background we are intending to put on a London Street O next winter using West Greenwich and Isle of Dogs. The only problem is the Greenwich foot tunnel (which is a bit crucial!), and I think a couple of other important footbridges aren’t shown on the OOMap! Is it possible for us (or you to add them?
Many Thanks
David Lobley
DFOK
Hi David,
I’ll take a look – good to know there’s a bit of time before it’s needed! For various technical reasons water gets pasted in fairly late in the process so it might be obscuring some of your key features. You can recover this post-PDF generation – open it in Inkscape, change the display mode to “Outline” which will show the hidden objects. Select these and choose Object –> Raise to top. Watch out for other oddities if doing this though as Inkscape can sometimes get the layering wrong for other objects.
Hi David, try now – is the rendering improved? I’ve made a number of changes to the various layers and the contour overlay logic which I hope will have fixed your issue without introducing too many new ones.
Bonjour, j’ai vu qu’il était possible de passer en vue satellite aérienne sur la carte. Serait-il possible de lavoir en export satellite vue du ciel ?
Merci
[Hello, I saw that it was possible to switch to aerial satellite view on the map. Would it be possible to have it in satellite export seen from the sky?
Thank you]
Hi, thanks for asking. I don’t have any plans to add the ability to have the satellite view as the exported background map (unless you can persuade me that this would be useful in general?). However, if you want to run an app-based orienteering course then for example MapRun can be set to use a satellite overlay as the map – would that work?
This was one of the unintended consequences of Saturday’s changes! In your case the ponds were overlaid with a larger “nature reserve” area, so although they were on the map, they were buried by an area of green. I have made some changes as a quick fix that should resolve this issue but I will return to this and do a proper job in due course.
It looks like fences are not always displayed in the default style. There are some closed way parks that have barrier=fence that are not rendered near open ways that are barrier=fence that do show up correctly as fences
Hello, I would like to make a PseudO map of the Bormujos area (Seville, Spain). But it doesn’t load that area or any other as a Pseudo Map. Could you tell me if it’s my fault or the system’s?
Hi Juan,
This is a change in behaviour which enables up-to-date global mapping. Until you either “Save and get PDF map” or generate a preview, you will only see the default OpenStreetMap rendering. The final PDF/JPG/etc will be rendered using your choice of style. There’s more detail in the other “help” pages here.
I’ve just discovered OOmap and it looks like a great tool for setting up introductory taster sessions. Three queries: 1) can I add the control descriptions to the map, or do i need to just print separately? 2) can i create line courses, or just Score? 3) can i add any graphics (e.g., club logo and URL)? Many thanks!
Thanks Katherine.
1) No, not directly using oomap. Various indirect options are available though, including adding these to the map as an overlay using Purple Pen or a more generic editor such as Inkscape, printing the descriptions to a pdf and adding to the back of the map, etc. I tend to use the Inkscape method – see here for an example.
2) Line courses – yes! Click on the “Rendering options” button at top-right, you can then check the “Linear course” option.
3) Graphics – again, see 1). One exception is that oomap can automatically add a club logo to the top-right of the map, see here for details.
90 responses to “Feedback”
I am unable to change the rendering? I want to use the Street O view, but when I click on the boxes in the top left hand corner, nothing changes, I can still see the view with the Street names etc?
Thanks
Hi Jackie, yes that’s the one big (and necessary) change from v3 – you only get the custom-rendered view when you “Save and get PDF”.
To help with this, there’s a new “Preview” button in the top-right panel which will produce a map overlay using the style and rendering options you have selected.
Thanks a lot, I didn’t understand this change either.
Thanks a lot from me too!
Forget the request I sent you earlier, David 🙂
Cheers
Giles
Is it possible to add forbidden zones? Thank you in advance.
Certain areas are rendered as pink out-of-bounds areas: building sites, schools for example. However, being able to interactively define new OOB areas is significant extra functionality. For now, a straightforward workaround is to import the rendered PDF into something like Inkscape where you can add custom-drawn objects.
Hello, can i download map in omap or ocad format??
You might be able to import the PDF output into OCAD, however oomap doesn’t have any dedicated functionality to export data for other mapping programs. You might be better off querying OpenStreetMap directly and importing that.
Attributes such that Ocad would recognize the objects as being of a certain (even if an unknown/undefined) symbol, or layers in the PDF so as one could turn on an off layers in Inkscape (or similar) would be just enough.
I have looked into this previously: Oomap uses Mapnik to render the map and it is possible to produce a layered PDF. However the performance was unacceptably slow and the resulting PDF was very large and more difficult to work with. I was not able to get any attributes into the PDF vector objects either. I think this is the better way for all the OSM data: https://www.ocad.com/wiki/ocad/en/index.php?title=Import_Open_Street_Map_Files
Hi David, as far as I can tell roads mapped as driveways in OSM do not transfer to OOMap now, though I think they used to. In rural areas, particularly, driveways often provide access to footpaths, or at least are prominent enough for runners to get confused as to whether the road they come across is mapped or not. Could they be an option, as in the various point features you can choose to display, or mapped as thin lines, as service roads are.
Many thanks
Hi Pat, by default they are switched off (some urban roads look like hedgehogs with them turned on!) but they can easily be added back in by checking “show driveways” on the rendering options dialog – see https://oomap.dna-software.co.uk/help/details/rendering-options/
These options are not retained on map save so need to be set again for new browser sessions.
Great, thanks David, not sure how I missed that, should have looked harder!
Hi. Can I make a single donation to OOM on behalf of a running club (rather than pressing the buy a coffee button for either Ollie or David). And will I get a formal receipt for the running club accounts? Thanks.
Thank you – yes. I’ll contact you directly.
Please could you add the LOK logo and club.
I can email a JPEg.
Done!
Hi David
Thank you your great work on the site.
Our club (MVOC) is just launching its Street O series for this year and would like to make a donation to you. Can you email me with details of how to make a bank transfer?
Also, it would great to utilise the club logo element, can this be done for MVOC please?
Justin
Thanks Justin. Details sent by email and MVOC logo now available.
after opening map, setting centre point then start then on to controls, by the time i get to setting control 6 the map on th left of the screen keeps going smaller so that the colums on the right ( contros etc) get wider so prt of the map is hidden behind ie the map now occupies 40% width of screen and columns >60 as more controls added. this is the same whether i use my lap top or pc, it only seems to have happened with V4, so i cant understand
I’ll take a look but I can’t reproduce that behaviour here – does anybody else see this? Please reply if so.
I am unable to print the pdf map. In the past this was not a problem but I now get at “ERROR unknown style” message
Hi Rorry,
I can see a couple of saved maps of yours with style=”undefined” instead of streeto, oterrain, etc. Not exactly sure how that’s happened but if it happens again, you should be able to fix this by switching the style (using the top-left map icons) from “StreetO” to “PseudO” and then back to “StreetO”. Let me know if that doesn’t work.
To clarify the problem, it is when I try to save the pdf before printing that I get the error message, not when i try to print.
Hopefully my tip should still work.
Before pressing the “Save & get PDF map” button, what URL is shown in the browser navigation bar? It should start “https://oomap.dna-software.co.uk/#/new/streeto-SRTM-5/”.
If you can provide the exact steps to get “undefined” instead of “streeto” (or a get PDF error) I can see if I can get the same – and then fix it.
Thank you. I set it to Street O and it worked, then set it back to Pseudo O and I got what I needed. The URL did show undefined originally. Problem solved!
Why do we no longer have the “Pseud’O” rendering like an IOF standards card please? It was really great for beginners! (example where I tried with several internet browsers: Bressuire in France)
Hi Nicolas,
That should still work – and I can see a saved map (653fc13191542) which renders OK? The big change is that the web map no longer shows the orienteering rendering, just the default openstreetmap view. That’s a necessary change in the way the site works but you can still preview the Pseudo render – try the “Preview” button at the top-right.
Something else to note – definitely use the “LIDAR-5” or “LIDAR-10” contours in preference to the SRTM or GLO-30 ones as they’re much higher quality and cover all of France.
If you’re still having issues please post the mapid that you’ve saved, and what you expect to see and I’ll take another look.
When I create the pdf from the base an existing tarmac footpath which is long established and shows on the base disappears. We have tried to change the properties on osm but this does not produce any change even after several days wait.
Hi Rosie,
Is this Monkton Heathfield? To reduce clutter, by default oomap hides paths that are tagged as “sidewalk” as this tagging is used for pavements running alongside roads. Your map has some inappropriately tagged paths that are not next to roads.
2 options: a) update the tagging in OpenStreetMap; b) turn on rendering for these paths by checking the “show sidewalks” box described at:
https://oomap.dna-software.co.uk/help/details/rendering-options/
This setting isn’t remembered between sessions so remember to re-select if you come back to your map later.
Thankyou!
That is most helpful.
Hello,
Thank you very much for the great tool. We recently used it to organize a club championship in Germany and it was a lot of fun.
We would like to organize MTB-O events next year. The basis is very good. However, the details need to be checked again and, above all, the route signatures need to be adapted.
So my question is whether there is any way of exporting the data to Ocad, for example, in order to change the route classification there?
Hi Daniel,
I haven’t got OCAD to check, but I think you have a couple of options: you may be able to import the oomap PDF into OCAD, alternatively you could try directly importing the openstreetmap data as described at https://www.ocad.ch/wiki/ocad/en/index.php?title=Import_Open_Street_Map_Files.
For minor edits, my method of choice is to open up the PDF in Inkscape and modify things there.
Thank you very much for the feedback. I will give it a try.
Hi David,
Please can you add Linz/Austria
https://we.tl/t-tcexq20NxV
Cheers
Giles
Hi Giles,
Many thanks for the support – Linz logo now available.
Hello David
In sorting out our next Maprun, the original map of two weeks ago, showed no fences, now after loading into Maprun and using the purple pen file the final map is showing fences in built up areas, which have no significance whats so ever but they could be easily mistaken for paths. Just look so messy. Have these been turned on recently. I tried another area and again its showing fences. I went into open street map and looked at these and the source is Bing. It does appear that the problem may be with Open Street Map, but you could turn this feature off.
Hi David, there always *should* have been fences, but a bug meant they weren’t appearing until a few weeks ago. However they are optional – to turn off, see the help at: https://oomap.dna-software.co.uk/help/details/rendering-options/ You just need to uncheck the “show fences” options and all should be good! Your preferences are not remembered between sessions so you will need to remember to do this for future maps too.
Hi David,
Trying to export XML for use with UsynligO. Though it exports fine, it won’t load in UsynligO and on opening the XML file, there is a ‘ no-name’ issue on ‘Line 7’.
Any thoughts?
Hi Jamie,
I’ve never used UsynligO, so it’s perfectly possible that something in oomap is not set up correctly. I’ll take a look; do you have an XML file that *does* work for me to compare with?
Your suggestions of removing the ‘&’ (as received by email) seems to have done the trick. Thanks so much. Jamie
Thanks for confirming; underlying cause is now fixed too.
Hi,
I’d like to ask you a question, but I’d like to say that I think your creation tool is very well done, it’s great!
I’m French and I love orienteering.
I was wondering if it would be possible to add a new map style, more in line with French orienteering maps (with a few changes in color and line thickness).
Does my idea seem feasible?
If so, I’d love to contribute, but I don’t know how to code.
Would there be a more or less simple way for me to change or make the colors and symbols available to you?
Thank you in advance for your reply,
Best regards,
Florian
Hi Florian,
It would certainly be possible to add a new style, but it takes a bit of work to build this and integrate into the web page. If you’re looking to use the same feature set as is shown for the PseudO style (or StreetO style) but with slightly different symbols then it’s mainly the style definitions that need changing. For PseudO, these are specified in:
https://github.com/oobrien/oomap/blob/master/maptiler/styles/inc/styles_oterrain_basic.xml.inc
The colours are separately specified in:
https://github.com/oobrien/oomap/blob/master/maptiler/styles/inc/colours_oom.xml.inc
If you can provide an edited version of the style file (with any additional colours also defined) then I can look to make this available to test.
Hope that helps!
David
Hi,
I take a lope to the code, it wasn’t too difficult to find and rewrite what I wanted to change.
I don’t want to take up too much of your time, but if it’s feasible, do you have an e-mail address so that I can send you the edited versions of the style and colors?
Best regards,
Florian
For a linear course, is it possible to bend lines (maybe a couple of times) between controls. I am preparing a walking course for disadvantaged youngsters so I would like to show the route to walk between control sites. The alternative is (I guess) to put a control at each direction change.
Hi Ian,
I think that’s a step too far for oomap – a common workflow though is to export a blank map PDF from oomap and then use Purple Pen or similar to add the course; this has functionality for adding bends.
Thanks for the reply. I will try Purple Pen = maybe Condes works also.
Hi David,
Minor error (I think) in the XML production
when adding controls. If you place either the Start or Finish first, this adds both the start and finish at the same place – I assume this is by design as it is common to have them colocated. However the XML file assignes a ‘s’ to both the start and finish. In the course section of the file, the last control is Type=finish but the Control number is ‘s’. If you then add a new Finish elsewhere the XML is as expected. To add the finish at the same location you need to click elsewhere then move it over the start control (can’t click on the same location).
Thanks – other than this love what you do with OpenOrienteeringMap!
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Thanks Michael. This *might* be by design but to be honest I can’t remember… I think my logic was that the “S”-labelled control starts the course as “Start” but then can later be used as “Finish”, regardless of what its label is. The key though is that the export works (or not) in UsylingO as that’s the intended destination. Happy to hear whether that’s the case, and tweak as necessary.
Hi David. Can’t speak for UsylingO (havent used it for ages) but, in general, I would think the Finish control should still be labelled as F regardless if it is co-located (matching what happens if you actually separate the two – it would be something I’d expect if I was using this format in any other application, but I don’t know if this would be likely to ever occur. I’m finishing up an ‘Import into PPEN” app For KMLs, IOFXMLs and GPX files. GPX from OpenOrienteeringMap is the only one that causes an issue due to ending with two Starts and no finishes. Having said that, it is really an edge case and can be fixed in PPEN so not likely to impact seriously. I could identify a GPX from this source and look for this but likely not worth the extra code!
Hi Michael, OK, that makes sense! I’d add it to the list of updates.
Now updated to distinguish between S and F. Please test and let me know if all is good.
Perfect. Thanks.
Sorry – in the last replay I wrote ‘GPX’ which should have been XML (iofXML v3) format. I could see people using this XML in other systems so might be a bit more confusing to users than I thought. Can’t paste the actually xml in here I believe.
Hi David (again). I noticed item 17 above (from Ian Cooper) regarding doing more complex map/courses. Way way back I wrote up a procedure to use OOM to provide a georeferenced map for OpenOrienteering Mapper and then Purple Pen. With all the updates in all these products I revisited things (and found some changes where I could remove work-arounds for incompatibilities and bugs) and updated the process. If you have a chance to review and let me know if you see any issues.
I’ve used this many times to allow for making multiple courses in PP and producing KML files for MapRun Events. PP can use a PDF map file but not any georeferencing in the file as it just converts to an image). I had not realized that, although OOMapper can use a PDF (including the geo info), PP cannot use the OCAD or OMAP file as a map – the PDF template portion appears blank). The way around this is to use the JPG and World File. Link is at https://maprun.raz-family.ca/ in the second para. Might be useful for some??
Thanks Michael, that’s really useful know-how. All looks good – except we’re in 2024 now 😀.
Salut, l’export XML est du XML simple.
Pour la fabuleuse appli française VIKAZIMUT, il faut du XML 3.0.
Sur l’aide, il est noté que c’est ça mais à l’export, c’est du XML simple…
Hi, the XML export is designed to work with UsylingO, and is written to be compliant with IOF 3.0 XML standards. What errors/issues are you seeing? Can you adjust the XML export to make it compatible with VIKAZIMUT? If you can, then I can potentially update the export function to match.
XML invalide Code 11
Le fichier exporté = XML et non XML 3.0
Dommage…
Hi Nico,
Please send an example oomap XML file to the VIKAZIMUT developers and ask them to see what the issue is – I have tried to follow the IOF 3.0 specification exactly, e.g. following the example at https://orienteering.org/datastandard/3.0/CourseData_Individual_Step2.xml
Are the generated maps open source ? Can we use them for a small university event ?
Hi Pauly, yes no problem at all – the map data is “open data, licensed under the Open Data Commons Open Database License (ODbL) by the OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF). You are free to copy, distribute, transmit and adapt our data, as long as you credit OpenStreetMap and its contributors.”. Any contour data is covered under a separate but similar licence.
So – please keep the attributions as printed on the map. Beyond that, please generate and use maps as you see fit 😀.
Can an imported GPX be added to the output?
POIs can be promoted to controls by double-clicking, but the track itself does not make it to the output.
Hi,
Is there a way to generate a legend based on the view that we use?
Thanks,
Matt
Hi Matt,
No, not currently. The easiest option is probably to design a legend graphic for the two main styles used (StreetO and PseudO) and make these available for download – I’ll add it to the list of things to do.
This is the error I get:
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Please contact the server administrator at webmaster@dna-software.co.uk to inform them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just before this error.
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Thanks Marc. There was an issue with a network component which caused knock-on errors; it should be fixed now. For times like these, please bookmark the backup server: https://oomap.ptlnet.com/
My message to webmaster@dna-software.co.uk returned with this error: 552 Spam Message Rejected
Thanks for trying! Other messages got through so not sure why yours was flagged.
At https://oomap.dna-software.co.uk/#/new/streeto-LIDAR-5/17.394444434642793/-0.7741/51.6496/ an area of forest is rendering as yellow where it intersects with the common land, even though the same area of common land has forest at the northern end that is correctly rendering as green. Any thoughts on how to fix this, either at your end or in OSM?
Hi David, yes, I assume it’s this relation: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/8632672
The areas have to be rendered in some order and in this case, it must be bottom wood – common – top wood. There’s no universal logic that could get this right so I think OSM needs editing. “leisure=common” doesn’t look to be a good tag so perhaps remove that from the relation, and add back in any areas of grassland as new areas with an appropriate tag?
Changing “leisure=common” to “designation=common” as per https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:designation%3Dcommon does the trick. Thanks! Now I just need to map the missing areas of grassland.
Hi, I’m just getting started with this, so this might be easy or impossible.
I’m trying to arrange a course on Cockfield Fell, OSM doesn’t have any of the gorse bushes currently mapped, so i’m planning on adding them to OSM. When I add them as scrub (which I think is correct??) they show as green diagonal dashes on your map rendering – this is fine for large patches, but for small patches, because of the small size, the diagonal pattern doesn’t show up. Is there a way to manually change the rendering of scrub to make it more obviously ‘fight’.
Hi Andy,
“natural = scrub” is typically used for larger areas so I don’t propose changing the default rendering for this. However it should be possible to manually edit the map after rendering. If you open the PDF in something like Inkscape, you should be able to select (either manually or in bulk) all the gorse areas, and change from a pattern fill to a solid fill with a colour of your choice. Another option might be to bring in a satellite image layer temporarily into Inkscape and use it to add gorse blobs by hand?
Also worth noting that Oomap’s primary aim is to facilitate urban events and it’s unlikely to ever be a more general-purpose O-map generator – at some stage you may wish to generate a “proper” map. E.g. there are some interesting terrain features on Cockfield Fell that aren’t picked out by my smoothed contour generation.
Hi David
I wonder if you could help with guidance as to how or if it is possible to edit / update an OOMap?
For background we are intending to put on a London Street O next winter using West Greenwich and Isle of Dogs. The only problem is the Greenwich foot tunnel (which is a bit crucial!), and I think a couple of other important footbridges aren’t shown on the OOMap! Is it possible for us (or you to add them?
Many Thanks
David Lobley
DFOK
Hi David,
I’ll take a look – good to know there’s a bit of time before it’s needed! For various technical reasons water gets pasted in fairly late in the process so it might be obscuring some of your key features. You can recover this post-PDF generation – open it in Inkscape, change the display mode to “Outline” which will show the hidden objects. Select these and choose Object –> Raise to top. Watch out for other oddities if doing this though as Inkscape can sometimes get the layering wrong for other objects.
Hi David, try now – is the rendering improved? I’ve made a number of changes to the various layers and the contour overlay logic which I hope will have fixed your issue without introducing too many new ones.
Bonjour, j’ai vu qu’il était possible de passer en vue satellite aérienne sur la carte. Serait-il possible de lavoir en export satellite vue du ciel ?
Merci
[Hello, I saw that it was possible to switch to aerial satellite view on the map. Would it be possible to have it in satellite export seen from the sky?
Thank you]
Hi, thanks for asking. I don’t have any plans to add the ability to have the satellite view as the exported background map (unless you can persuade me that this would be useful in general?). However, if you want to run an app-based orienteering course then for example MapRun can be set to use a satellite overlay as the map – would that work?
Hey! Great site.
I’m having a bit of issues with ponds disappearing after rendering. Any ideas?
Thanks
This was one of the unintended consequences of Saturday’s changes! In your case the ponds were overlaid with a larger “nature reserve” area, so although they were on the map, they were buried by an area of green. I have made some changes as a quick fix that should resolve this issue but I will return to this and do a proper job in due course.
legend. Thanks!
It looks like fences are not always displayed in the default style. There are some closed way parks that have barrier=fence that are not rendered near open ways that are barrier=fence that do show up correctly as fences
Could you provide an example map ID and show a location where this happens please?
Hello, I would like to make a PseudO map of the Bormujos area (Seville, Spain). But it doesn’t load that area or any other as a Pseudo Map. Could you tell me if it’s my fault or the system’s?
Hi Juan,
This is a change in behaviour which enables up-to-date global mapping. Until you either “Save and get PDF map” or generate a preview, you will only see the default OpenStreetMap rendering. The final PDF/JPG/etc will be rendered using your choice of style. There’s more detail in the other “help” pages here.
I’ve just discovered OOmap and it looks like a great tool for setting up introductory taster sessions. Three queries: 1) can I add the control descriptions to the map, or do i need to just print separately? 2) can i create line courses, or just Score? 3) can i add any graphics (e.g., club logo and URL)? Many thanks!
Thanks Katherine.
1) No, not directly using oomap. Various indirect options are available though, including adding these to the map as an overlay using Purple Pen or a more generic editor such as Inkscape, printing the descriptions to a pdf and adding to the back of the map, etc. I tend to use the Inkscape method – see here for an example.
2) Line courses – yes! Click on the “Rendering options” button at top-right, you can then check the “Linear course” option.
3) Graphics – again, see 1). One exception is that oomap can automatically add a club logo to the top-right of the map, see here for details.